Tuesday, April 13, 2010

Should the words ';under God'; be removed from the US Pledge?

The following is the current United States Pledge of Allegiance:''I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of AmericaAnd to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under GodWith liberty and justice for all.''The words ''under God'' were added to the pledge in 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower decided an amendment was needed. The question is, is this amendment unconstitutional? After all the First Ammendment guarantees us these rights:''Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.''Are these words a clear establishment of religion? Are people complaining too much and taking it too far? This touches two topics that OT can get pretty fired up about, religion and politics, so try to keep it clean and let's have a fair debate!Should the words ';under God'; be removed from the US Pledge?
Considering how the founding fathers wanted a secular nation, yes, yes they should be.Should the words ';under God'; be removed from the US Pledge?
no it should not be removed \thread
As comedian Lewis Black said, ''If you don't want to say 'under God' say, 'under Dog' that way you say the same amount of syllables and you end when everyone else does.''
Absolutely should be removed.
Nope, religion ''built'' the constitution.I iz atheust.
No. This country was founded by people who believe in God, and the majority of people still believe in God, so no.
no, it was made that way and we shouldn't have to change it just because some people might find it offensive...lots of people find evolution being taught in schools offensive but that doesn't mean we should remove it
Nope. It is fine as it is.Really if it bother's people so much they should start a petiton. No one seems to complain about it.
[QUOTE=''foxhound_fox'']Considering how the founding fathers wanted a secular nation, yes, yes they should be.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Church and State should be completely separate.
[QUOTE=''dackchaar'']no, it was made that way and we shouldn't have to change it just because some people might find it offensive...lots of people find evolution being taught in schools offensive but that doesn't mean we should remove it[/QUOTE]



It was not made that way. Keep in mind the words ''under God'' were NOT in the pledge until 1954, right during the explosion of the red scare. Communists didn't believe in God, so Eisenhower I'm sure wanted to make sure it was clear the US was not communist.
Meh, I don't really see any reason to get rid of it (although I don't really see any reason to have it in the first place). But ''one nation, under God'' doesn't necessarily mean ''one nation, under a [Christian/Jewish/Islamic] God''. I interpret it as ''one nation, under a [deistic] God''. So I don't see the words as a clear establishment of religion; rather, the words are a clear establishment of faith, thus it is constitutional
[QUOTE=''Serraph105'']no it should not be removed \thread[/QUOTE]Yes it should \thread.I can do that too :P
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[QUOTE=''remmbermytitans'']No. This country was founded by people who believe in God, and the majority of people still believe in God, so no.[/QUOTE]



How could the founding fathers have left a nation suffering from a combination of church and state only to create a nation doing the same thing? Wasn't it their point to escape religious persecution set by combination of government and church?
I really don't understand why Eisenhower thought he needed to add it in the first place.



That said...even though I'm an atheist, I don't really care. I don't care that God's on my money, either.
Sure it should be removed, but I don't think anyone cares enough. :P
[QUOTE=''remmbermytitans'']No. This country was founded by people who believe in God, and the majority of people still believe in God, so no.[/QUOTE]Although many people in this country believe in a god and many of the founding fathers did as well, does not make it a country based on the belief in a god. This is a secular nation, that is what this nation was founded on. It's right in the US constitution and the first Amendment. This is a violation of the separation of church and state.
no, because I like to keep traditions
no, because OT isnt the world..

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