If You Know That Quote, you are a star wars fan, and so am i, and I LOVE IT.OR...you are just stupid and you just fell for my trap that said, ''ITS A TRAP''....wow:lol:IT's A TRAP!!
Yeah,this is going nowhere.
Thursday, April 15, 2010
Do you believe in the Anti-Christ?
Do you think he exist? Do you think he will come and reign over us? If you do why do you believe in him? Me and my friend were arguing over whether he exist or not. Of course I don't believe he exist. Do you believe in the Anti-Christ?
I would first have to believe in Christ. So no.Do you believe in the Anti-Christ?
He's president :P
The Anti-Christ will be the offspring of Ann Coulter and Michael Moore. As long as we keep them apart, we should be fine.
Yes, but I'll be gone before he comes.
Can't believe in 1 without the other.
[QUOTE=''entropyecho'']The Anti-Christ will be the offspring of Ann Coulter and Michael Moore. As long as we keep them apart, we should be fine.[/QUOTE]
lolin at dis
As someone said a few posts above mine, in order for me to believe in the Antichrist then I would have to believe in Christ himself. While yes I do believe in him in the sense that he was more of a prophet or philosopher than say, a divinity, he was still just a man, one that may not have even ever existed at that.
No... but if I did, I'd probably say it was Emperor Nero.
Not in the dispensationalist sense, no.
[QUOTE=''-Misanthropic-'']No... but if I did, I'd probably say it was Emperor Nero.[/QUOTE]A large number of Christians agree with you.
If christ exists,there must be an anti christ,it all depends in your belives
[QUOTE=''Theokhoth''][QUOTE=''-Misanthropic-'']No... but if I did, I'd probably say it was Emperor Nero.[/QUOTE]A large number of Christians agree with you.[/QUOTE]In terms of persecution against Christians, there can be no other answer to that question :P
There is no such thing as the Anti-Christ in a literal sense people. Anti in that sense simply means ''against''. The AntiChrist is just a phrase for anybody who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
No. Even if Jesus Christ was a real person, I still don't believe there was or is an Anti-Christ.
I dont believe in an anti-christ anymore than I believe in an anti-me or an anti-whomever.It seems very silly.
[QUOTE=''n00bproof'']There is no such thing as the Anti-Christ in a literal sense people. Anti in that sense simply means ''against''. The AntiChrist is just a phrase for anybody who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.[/QUOTE]Oh. In that case...Everyone! Look at me! I'm the Anti-Christ!
[QUOTE=''btaylor2404'']No. Even if Jesus Christ was a real person, I still don't believe there was or is an Anti-Christ.[/QUOTE]But for every particle, there is an anti-particle :o
[QUOTE=''RadBooley''][QUOTE=''n00bproof'']There is no such thing as the Anti-Christ in a literal sense people. Anti in that sense simply means ''against''. The AntiChrist is just a phrase for anybody who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.[/QUOTE]Oh. In that case...Everyone! Look at me! I'm the Anti-Christ![/QUOTE]Oh, and I must commemerate that as my 69th post
Yeah he's a cool guy. He's a charmer, he leads us to hell and doesn't afraid of anything
Nope.
I would first have to believe in Christ. So no.Do you believe in the Anti-Christ?
He's president :P
The Anti-Christ will be the offspring of Ann Coulter and Michael Moore. As long as we keep them apart, we should be fine.
Yes, but I'll be gone before he comes.
Can't believe in 1 without the other.
[QUOTE=''entropyecho'']The Anti-Christ will be the offspring of Ann Coulter and Michael Moore. As long as we keep them apart, we should be fine.[/QUOTE]
lolin at dis
As someone said a few posts above mine, in order for me to believe in the Antichrist then I would have to believe in Christ himself. While yes I do believe in him in the sense that he was more of a prophet or philosopher than say, a divinity, he was still just a man, one that may not have even ever existed at that.
No... but if I did, I'd probably say it was Emperor Nero.
Not in the dispensationalist sense, no.
[QUOTE=''-Misanthropic-'']No... but if I did, I'd probably say it was Emperor Nero.[/QUOTE]A large number of Christians agree with you.
If christ exists,there must be an anti christ,it all depends in your belives
[QUOTE=''Theokhoth''][QUOTE=''-Misanthropic-'']No... but if I did, I'd probably say it was Emperor Nero.[/QUOTE]A large number of Christians agree with you.[/QUOTE]In terms of persecution against Christians, there can be no other answer to that question :P
There is no such thing as the Anti-Christ in a literal sense people. Anti in that sense simply means ''against''. The AntiChrist is just a phrase for anybody who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
No. Even if Jesus Christ was a real person, I still don't believe there was or is an Anti-Christ.
I dont believe in an anti-christ anymore than I believe in an anti-me or an anti-whomever.It seems very silly.
[QUOTE=''n00bproof'']There is no such thing as the Anti-Christ in a literal sense people. Anti in that sense simply means ''against''. The AntiChrist is just a phrase for anybody who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.[/QUOTE]Oh. In that case...Everyone! Look at me! I'm the Anti-Christ!
[QUOTE=''btaylor2404'']No. Even if Jesus Christ was a real person, I still don't believe there was or is an Anti-Christ.[/QUOTE]But for every particle, there is an anti-particle :o
[QUOTE=''RadBooley''][QUOTE=''n00bproof'']There is no such thing as the Anti-Christ in a literal sense people. Anti in that sense simply means ''against''. The AntiChrist is just a phrase for anybody who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.[/QUOTE]Oh. In that case...Everyone! Look at me! I'm the Anti-Christ![/QUOTE]Oh, and I must commemerate that as my 69th post
Yeah he's a cool guy. He's a charmer, he leads us to hell and doesn't afraid of anything
Nope.
SO the girls arent attracted to good guys eh?
I am really good as a person but girls dont find me attractive emotionally. Discuss!SO the girls arent attracted to good guys eh?
[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]SO the girls arent attracted to good guys eh?
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As with anything......some will some won't......find one that does like you...
are you attractive physically?
If you're too nice she won't appreciate you and you'll be seen as boring, girls like a challenge. The trick isn't to be an ass but to act busy, don't always fulfill her every want.
When somebody looks at another person, the first thing they see if their physical body... and that's what they earn their initial impression upon. If a girl sees a fat, short and ugly kid sitting alone in the corner of the room, it doesn't matter how good of a personality he may have or how caring he may be. Until somebody actually gets to know that person mentally, they'll always have the first impression of him/her being a loser, and that's that.Don't expect girls to look at you and immediately think, ''Wow, he's got a nice personality!'' You have to make that known to them.
[QUOTE=''Oh_my''][QUOTE=''unholymight'']Really good people wouldn't describe themselves as really good people.[/QUOTE]Thats B.S.[/QUOTE]
I don't think really good people would put down others so harshly.
I'm a girl and I like good guys. I'd never go out with a bad guy, too far up their own arses they are.
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It is harder to get a girl if you're not rough, bad-a$$, play by your own rules type of dude.But one way you can counter this problem is to have alot of money. that can more than make up for the lack of pure, unadulterated coolness!
Do you pander to the girls you like?
[QUOTE=''markop2003'']If you're too nice she won't appreciate you and you'll be seen as boring, girls like a challenge. The trick isn't to be an ass but to act busy, don't always fulfill her every want.[/QUOTE]
When the guy tells you whether or not you can go to the bathroom....That's the dream.
I find that girls are attracted to a good guy, my fiancee was attracted to me and I am no badass.
[QUOTE=''tofu-lion91'']I'm a girl and I like good guys. I'd never go out with a bad guy, too far up their own arses they are.[/QUOTE]thats what they all say :(
girls hate guys that kiss a** and let the girls walk all over them. Girls like a guy who can playfully tease them and stand up for himself. Most guy's who suck up to girls are doing it purely to get them in bed so.... yeah.
All you get is a ''Thank-You''.Might work when you are older,like when you are in your 30s.
I am no saint,but i can tell you this much.
There's more to it than that. Being good alone doesn't make you attractive.
i think good and bad is the wrong term, i personally don't like guys that are submissive and do everything their told. But on the otherhand i dont like guys that are wannabe thugs and wear all black. The only false positive in this is that un submissive guys are normally better looking, and with that they have confidence to back their talk up.So all in all, if you want to not be a wannabe thug to get girls, try to have confidence. I want someone who can walk up to a group of 400 people and just start singing like an idiot, but good looks normally come hand and in with confidence. So there you have it.
Well I like intelligent and sensitive guys, British accent and a tweed jacket is a huge bonus :oops:
Oh and humour is a plus too, if I could smoosh together Stephen Colbert and Richard Dawkins into a younger hunky man then I'm totally there... I really shouldn't post this stuff...makeup
[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]SO the girls arent attracted to good guys eh?
[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]
As with anything......some will some won't......find one that does like you...
are you attractive physically?
If you're too nice she won't appreciate you and you'll be seen as boring, girls like a challenge. The trick isn't to be an ass but to act busy, don't always fulfill her every want.
When somebody looks at another person, the first thing they see if their physical body... and that's what they earn their initial impression upon. If a girl sees a fat, short and ugly kid sitting alone in the corner of the room, it doesn't matter how good of a personality he may have or how caring he may be. Until somebody actually gets to know that person mentally, they'll always have the first impression of him/her being a loser, and that's that.Don't expect girls to look at you and immediately think, ''Wow, he's got a nice personality!'' You have to make that known to them.
[QUOTE=''Oh_my''][QUOTE=''unholymight'']Really good people wouldn't describe themselves as really good people.[/QUOTE]Thats B.S.[/QUOTE]
I don't think really good people would put down others so harshly.
I'm a girl and I like good guys. I'd never go out with a bad guy, too far up their own arses they are.
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It is harder to get a girl if you're not rough, bad-a$$, play by your own rules type of dude.But one way you can counter this problem is to have alot of money. that can more than make up for the lack of pure, unadulterated coolness!
Do you pander to the girls you like?
[QUOTE=''markop2003'']If you're too nice she won't appreciate you and you'll be seen as boring, girls like a challenge. The trick isn't to be an ass but to act busy, don't always fulfill her every want.[/QUOTE]
When the guy tells you whether or not you can go to the bathroom....That's the dream.
I find that girls are attracted to a good guy, my fiancee was attracted to me and I am no badass.
[QUOTE=''tofu-lion91'']I'm a girl and I like good guys. I'd never go out with a bad guy, too far up their own arses they are.[/QUOTE]thats what they all say :(
girls hate guys that kiss a** and let the girls walk all over them. Girls like a guy who can playfully tease them and stand up for himself. Most guy's who suck up to girls are doing it purely to get them in bed so.... yeah.
All you get is a ''Thank-You''.Might work when you are older,like when you are in your 30s.
I am no saint,but i can tell you this much.
There's more to it than that. Being good alone doesn't make you attractive.
i think good and bad is the wrong term, i personally don't like guys that are submissive and do everything their told. But on the otherhand i dont like guys that are wannabe thugs and wear all black. The only false positive in this is that un submissive guys are normally better looking, and with that they have confidence to back their talk up.So all in all, if you want to not be a wannabe thug to get girls, try to have confidence. I want someone who can walk up to a group of 400 people and just start singing like an idiot, but good looks normally come hand and in with confidence. So there you have it.
Well I like intelligent and sensitive guys, British accent and a tweed jacket is a huge bonus :oops:
Oh and humour is a plus too, if I could smoosh together Stephen Colbert and Richard Dawkins into a younger hunky man then I'm totally there... I really shouldn't post this stuff...
What's the meaning of life?
In Your Opinion.Me and my friends were discussing it the other day (don't ask :P ) and its a pretty big question. I still think all signs point to love, you have to have love in your life to be truly happy.Well OT, what's your take on it?What's the meaning of life?
money duh :P money>>love money buys you happiness obviously What's the meaning of life?
ask Chuck Norris
Money is all I need to survive in life.Of course, health is the only exception.
[QUOTE=''postbodetje'']ask Chuck Norris[/QUOTE]
I did...He kicked me in the face :x
Money makes the world go round. But idk if there is a purpose...maybe this is purgatory? Idk i feel if you ask that question religion becomes too involved...
Hmm, what's the meaning of life...easy enough to answer.To crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women.
there is no meaning
[QUOTE=''soulfood4'']Money makes the world go round. But idk if there is a purpose...maybe this is purgatory? Idk i feel if you ask that question religion becomes too involved...[/QUOTE]
I'm both surprised/glad no ones brought religion into this. I mean, I'm not saying religion is bad. But to say religion is the meaning of life...
42 of course.
There's no meaning, it's the way how you put it.
[QUOTE=''Sajedene'']42 of course.[/QUOTE]
If its a number, then it'd be 3 :x Or 69 :o
I say the meaning of life is to learn its lessons I think.
Get paid then get laid.
life : noun - the period between birth and death.
The 'meaning' of life varies from person to person... It depends on how YOU choose to live it.
[QUOTE=''Singularity22'']Get paid then get laid.[/QUOTE]
Or you could get paid for getting laid :
|[QUOTE=''acxler8'']life : noun - the period between birth and death.
The 'meaning' of life varies from person to person... It depends on how YOU choose to live it.[/QUOTE]
Well then how do you choose to live it?
[QUOTE=''I_pWnzz_YoU'']
Or you could get paid for getting laid :|[/QUOTE]
Now that would be a good deal:P
[QUOTE=''optiow''][QUOTE=''I_pWnzz_YoU'']
Or you could get paid for getting laid :|[/QUOTE]
Now that would be a good deal:P[/QUOTE]
Well you could actually do that as a living :P
[QUOTE=''I_pWnzz_YoU''][QUOTE=''Singularity22'']Get paid then get laid.[/QUOTE] Or you could get paid for getting laid :|[/QUOTE]Just move to the San Fernando Valley.
money duh :P money>>love money buys you happiness obviously What's the meaning of life?
ask Chuck Norris
Money is all I need to survive in life.Of course, health is the only exception.
[QUOTE=''postbodetje'']ask Chuck Norris[/QUOTE]
I did...He kicked me in the face :x
Money makes the world go round. But idk if there is a purpose...maybe this is purgatory? Idk i feel if you ask that question religion becomes too involved...
Hmm, what's the meaning of life...easy enough to answer.To crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women.
there is no meaning
[QUOTE=''soulfood4'']Money makes the world go round. But idk if there is a purpose...maybe this is purgatory? Idk i feel if you ask that question religion becomes too involved...[/QUOTE]
I'm both surprised/glad no ones brought religion into this. I mean, I'm not saying religion is bad. But to say religion is the meaning of life...
42 of course.
There's no meaning, it's the way how you put it.
[QUOTE=''Sajedene'']42 of course.[/QUOTE]
If its a number, then it'd be 3 :x Or 69 :o
I say the meaning of life is to learn its lessons I think.
Get paid then get laid.
life : noun - the period between birth and death.
The 'meaning' of life varies from person to person... It depends on how YOU choose to live it.
[QUOTE=''Singularity22'']Get paid then get laid.[/QUOTE]
Or you could get paid for getting laid :
|[QUOTE=''acxler8'']life : noun - the period between birth and death.
The 'meaning' of life varies from person to person... It depends on how YOU choose to live it.[/QUOTE]
Well then how do you choose to live it?
[QUOTE=''I_pWnzz_YoU'']
Or you could get paid for getting laid :|[/QUOTE]
Now that would be a good deal:P
[QUOTE=''optiow''][QUOTE=''I_pWnzz_YoU'']
Or you could get paid for getting laid :|[/QUOTE]
Now that would be a good deal:P[/QUOTE]
Well you could actually do that as a living :P
[QUOTE=''I_pWnzz_YoU''][QUOTE=''Singularity22'']Get paid then get laid.[/QUOTE] Or you could get paid for getting laid :|[/QUOTE]Just move to the San Fernando Valley.
The Girl or the Money, you choose.
Ok, so here is the scenario.There is this girl hanging off of a cliff ready to fall to her death, but also some device has he connected up to the huge case that contains 2 Billion dollars. If you take the billion dollars the girl falls to her death, if you save the girl the money burst into flames. What do you do?Catches.The Girls is your girl friend of 2 months. You can't spend the money on anything but essentials.The Girl or the Money, you choose.
Both. When she falls off the cliff she'll land on soft pillow's which I put there. 8)The Girl or the Money, you choose.
Depends on how hot the girl is.
2 months? Money.
I'd keep the money.3 Billion girls out there is enough for me.
Um, can I ask her some questions first? What if I don't really like this girl at all? What if she is a prostitute?
Essentials: Metal Albums.I take the money.
uhh with those damn restraints id have to pick the girl.. who the hell needs 2 billion for essentials who are you feeding? Ethiopia?
Damnit. If her life werent in danger Id go for the money.
The girl. I'm not going to sacrifice ethics for monies.
This may sound horrible but it depends on what essentials are
If essentials = Amazing dining, amazing house, amazing transportation etc then I would take the money
Think about it in terms of economics - 2 billion dollars being left for nothing will damage the country's economy severly, possibly increasing the recession and chances of a depression which in turn equals horrible living standards/suicides/horrible world of the 1930s with little to no hope; so by giving up one person (who I might not even like) I could save millions.
However the moral/ethical answer would be the girl
*You can't spend the money on anything but essentials.....*
I'd go for the girl.
Ok the girl is hot, and you find her to be perfect.Ok... and you can use the money for what ever you want.Now how do you feel about it.
Human life is much more valuable than any amount of money.
Definitely the girl. Plus, I'm sure she would offer some kind of ''reward'' for saving her life. ;)
i dont care if she's my gf, my mother, or my enemy. i'd still pick the girl.
Essentials is vague. Money definitely.
She has to be a wifey or theres no dice.
So it's no work necessary for the rest of my life, or a chick? Dang, I don't know. It's easy to say ''the girl'' but when it came to that moment I don't know if I could. I know, I'm heartless :(
If it's just essentials I'd only spend about 20k of it, the girl.
$2 Billion only on essentials? What type of deal is that? Who has $2 Billion worth of essentials?
Does the girl have $4 Billion? She may be willing to spend a lot on me within those two months.
Both. When she falls off the cliff she'll land on soft pillow's which I put there. 8)The Girl or the Money, you choose.
Depends on how hot the girl is.
2 months? Money.
I'd keep the money.3 Billion girls out there is enough for me.
Um, can I ask her some questions first? What if I don't really like this girl at all? What if she is a prostitute?
Essentials: Metal Albums.I take the money.
uhh with those damn restraints id have to pick the girl.. who the hell needs 2 billion for essentials who are you feeding? Ethiopia?
Damnit. If her life werent in danger Id go for the money.
The girl. I'm not going to sacrifice ethics for monies.
This may sound horrible but it depends on what essentials are
If essentials = Amazing dining, amazing house, amazing transportation etc then I would take the money
Think about it in terms of economics - 2 billion dollars being left for nothing will damage the country's economy severly, possibly increasing the recession and chances of a depression which in turn equals horrible living standards/suicides/horrible world of the 1930s with little to no hope; so by giving up one person (who I might not even like) I could save millions.
However the moral/ethical answer would be the girl
*You can't spend the money on anything but essentials.....*
I'd go for the girl.
Ok the girl is hot, and you find her to be perfect.Ok... and you can use the money for what ever you want.Now how do you feel about it.
Human life is much more valuable than any amount of money.
Definitely the girl. Plus, I'm sure she would offer some kind of ''reward'' for saving her life. ;)
i dont care if she's my gf, my mother, or my enemy. i'd still pick the girl.
Essentials is vague. Money definitely.
She has to be a wifey or theres no dice.
So it's no work necessary for the rest of my life, or a chick? Dang, I don't know. It's easy to say ''the girl'' but when it came to that moment I don't know if I could. I know, I'm heartless :(
If it's just essentials I'd only spend about 20k of it, the girl.
$2 Billion only on essentials? What type of deal is that? Who has $2 Billion worth of essentials?
Does the girl have $4 Billion? She may be willing to spend a lot on me within those two months.
';When God says it's my time';
So how is it that God decides it's your time when you are murdered by another person who chose to kill you? Did God implant him with an insatiable desire to kill some specific person? Is that what murderers really are? God's messengers sent to send people to the afterlife because it's their time?';When God says it's my time';
Ugh...Why does death have to be decided by god?
One could argue that god was working through the killer...But that is just silly. Even if you believe in god, do you really believe that he has his marionette strings on every single person in the world?';When God says it's my time';
God works in mysteriious ways.
it isnt your'time' to go if someone murders you.if someone takes your life, its playing God, that's why its a sin to murder someone. that saying is applicable only to when you just die on your deathbed of sickness or old age or something
What if medical advances can extend your life? Are you denying God's will? If not, then how is it that there is a plan? If there is, and his plan was for that to happen, where is free will? Hrm.
[QUOTE=''ConformestClone'']What if medical advances can extend your life? Are you denying God's will? If not, then how is it that there is a plan? If there is, and his plan was for that to happen, where is free will? Hrm.[/QUOTE]O_o
Who is God? That's a rapper?
Ugh...Why does death have to be decided by god?
One could argue that god was working through the killer...But that is just silly. Even if you believe in god, do you really believe that he has his marionette strings on every single person in the world?';When God says it's my time';
God works in mysteriious ways.
it isnt your'time' to go if someone murders you.if someone takes your life, its playing God, that's why its a sin to murder someone. that saying is applicable only to when you just die on your deathbed of sickness or old age or something
What if medical advances can extend your life? Are you denying God's will? If not, then how is it that there is a plan? If there is, and his plan was for that to happen, where is free will? Hrm.
[QUOTE=''ConformestClone'']What if medical advances can extend your life? Are you denying God's will? If not, then how is it that there is a plan? If there is, and his plan was for that to happen, where is free will? Hrm.[/QUOTE]O_o
Who is God? That's a rapper?
Democracy's biggest flaw...
Democracy's biggest benefit is the freedom of choice to pick your own leader. No matter your race or sex (age to vote is still a bit high to vote but the mentally ill are allowed to vote :? ), you can vote without having to reveal your choice of party to anyone but who you choose.That's all well and good! But no system is perfect, let's move on from that for a bit and focus on the biggest flump in Democracy's royal custard... if a majority rules, in a Democratic system, that is the law that gets passed. At a first glance this seems to be ok, needs of the majority over the needs of a few, right?Well... take it on the other side. Most of the time, when the public are asked a question, their opinion, they will give an answer that is most likely lacking in compassion for the concerning party. Asking our opinion seems empowering, but is it just keeping us happy while the real decisions are made by a swarm of incompassionate individuals with no interest in the subject other than having their voice heard.I will (shamelessly) bring up the topic of same-sex marriage to be used as an example, as it highlights the theme of compassion and how little democracy inspires in it.QuestionDo you think same-sex marriage should be allowed?...before you even answer that, to give a fair and unbias view you SHOULD consider your own position. Are you in love with someone of the same sex, or is someone you are close to in love with someone of the same sex? What are you basing your opinion on? If you can't answer these then you opinion isn't worthless, but it is worth less in terms of compassion for the people (par example) the prop 8 law effects. If your best friend couldn't get married to the love of their life simply because they loved the wrong person, you would feel that is wrong. If you grew up in a neighbourhood where there were few to no same sex relationships, the idea of gay marriage would be confusing.I am not preaching right or wrong on this, but you can see where I'm coming from with this example... if the opinion of a majority is so volatile and ill-informed, it may as well be a mob. What good mobs have there been in the last 100 years? Stack them up against the bad mobs and you'll have a top-heavy mobometre.To reitterate the actual point of the topic (lest it stray into uncharted or over-crowded waters), the needs of the majority are not reflected in ''public opinion'' indefinately. With the media as a catalyst, the strength of a balanced opinion is crumbling under the weight of the boarish reckonings of a man-on-the-sofa culture. 2 heads may be mightier than one but the balance is all out of skew.Democracy's biggest flaw...
Better education could really fix the issues with perspective and understanding.Democracy's biggest flaw...
[QUOTE=''warbmxjohn'']Better education could really fix the issues with perspective and understanding.[/QUOTE]
Education can only go so far. Especially when it's public. Everything public is a minefield of bureaucracy and subject to the same flaws as democracy.
It's unlikely the government can get a point across without the opposition smearing it for points. Wouldn't it be great if parliament just shut the **** up for once and reached a conclusuion based on their own policies reaching a comprimise rather than picking a more popular side merely to slander the opposition? We need another world war to get that kind of bi-partisanship, what a sorry conclusion!
''No matter your vote the government stil gets in.''?
Democracy's biggest flaw is that at it's heart it's nothing more than majoritarian voting, effectively in its simplest form ''mob mentality'', which is why there must always be safeguards put in place, checks and balances to make sure that:
Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.
[QUOTE=''bean-with-bacon'']Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.[/QUOTE]Lol so true.But I think that could be extended to, the human race doesn't work because the majority of the human race are idiots.
Democracy does not equal the ''ruling'' of majority. If you would look into a bit more in-depth you'd notice that most decisions made by politicians are not backed up by the majority at all (wars, bail out, green politics, EU Referendum, Abortion, Same Sex Marriage, Smoking Ban, and so forth). Id say, the flaw about democracy is that it only works if people participate, educate themselvs an vote (based on their research). It is a voluntary system and if you neglect it, it simply turns against you and sooner or later things turn for the worse and everyone's asking himself how this could have happened (WWII anyone ?).Still, Democracy may be flawed but it is the best alternative that is out there. If you aim for true perfection in a society, you are not aware of the human nature.Concering same-sex marriage. One should differntiate between agreeing with same-sex marriages (from a subjective viewpoint) and allowing it(from a legal viewpoint). It think it's okay to dismiss the concept of same-sex marriage, yet one should not forbid it in a liberal society.Personally, Id say live and let live, same-sex marriages are good ! (yay)Take careRiver
[QUOTE=''Hoobinator'']Democracy's biggest flaw is that at it's heart it's nothing more than majoritarian voting, effectively in its simplest form ''mob mentality'', which is why there must always be safeguards put in place, checks and balances to make sure that:
I pretty much agree.
But Commuism is interesting because it called itself the only ''true'' democracy. Yet most things were controlled by the state instead of just some things :?
And as for this...
[QUOTE=''bean-with-bacon'']Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm getting at, the lack of information and compassion is pretty much what I'd call ignorance and that paves the way for lunacy and idiocy.
Some information is worse than no information at all.
People are not born being idiots, and many people who are and were undemocratic are not uneducated (Bush Senior, Mugabe, Hitler Stalin, Berlusconi and so on). Many tribal communities would be considered uneducated by ''our'' (Western) standards, but that does not make them idiots at all.Think before you argue, guysRiver
[QUOTE=''Ravenhoe'']People are not born being idiots, and many people who are and were undemocratic are not uneducated (Bush Senior, Mugabe, Hitler Stalin, Berlusconi and so on). Many tribal communities would be considered uneducated by ''our'' (Western) standards, but that does not make them idiots at all.Think before you argue, guysRiver[/QUOTE]
Hitler, Mugabee, Stalin and Bush (if the last one even counts) should know better than a tribal community. The public had a responsibility in all of these people coming to power, too (Stalin to a lesser extent).
Not that the tribal community is any of our business other than a topic of study. Even if they were tyranical it's not our place to say what they should do, that's the point of a nation.
Something quite bleak is the fact that no matter how genius a person is, it is the public that detrmines their fate in terms of recognition and importance. Imagine if Mozart had misgivings about Catholicism. His perfect music wouldn't be heard because his view was unpopular and he talked a little too loud. One Mozart is worth a hundred contemporary slobs, if a value could ever be put to it, yet the mediocre actually decided his fate and untimely death in the end, for real this time.
[QUOTE=''Hoobinator'']Democracy's biggest flaw is that at it's heart it's nothing more than majoritarian voting, effectively in its simplest form ''mob mentality'', which is why there must always be safeguards put in place, checks and balances to make sure that:
Great post.
Not many people seem to remember that the US was NOT founded as a democracy. Many of the founding fathers of this country despised democracy. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and as such 99% of the poeple should not even have control over 1% of the population. Unfortunately too many people have been brainwashed from their childhoods to believe we are, in fact, in a democracy and that 51% of the poeple control 49% of the populace. It's a shame being that America was formed with the best form of government that has likely ever existed, but because of corporations and corrupt politicians it has been reduced to a mere democracy.
[QUOTE=''jer_1'']Not many people seem to remember that the US was NOT founded as a democracy. Many of the founding fathers of this country despised democracy. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and as such 99% of the poeple should not even have control over 1% of the population. Unfortunately too many people have been brainwashed from their childhoods to believe we are, in fact, in a democracy and that 51% of the poeple control 49% of the populace. It's a shame being that America was formed with the best form of government that has likely ever existed, but because of corporations and corrupt politicians it has been reduced to a mere democracy.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the USA is deforming from the constitutional ages into a Democracy just like Rome did. As it's such a huge country with many regional variations, the limits put in place by Wasington go over a lot of people's heads. And for a fragile system like Democracy, it's a dirty dirty battleground.
It ''works'' in some places, but there's obvious room for improvement as the flaws are ignored and go unchallenged as people shameless preach Democracy as if it was synonymous with ''the only way we have''. Churchill was right to pick Democarcy, but that was over fascism and communism, the thought of a Constitutional Republic was still punishable by death, technically as it was treasonous.
Democracy is becoming just another dogma in our lives, a club foot in society. It's no longer the best we have if we can do better, and for a start we could begin by telling the press they have a duty of care over the moron public and that they aren't allowed to offer opinion during a factual report and that their intentions are altruistic and there is no agenda. That's step one.
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That is why we combine democratic systems with objective laws.
[QUOTE=''Cactus_Matt''][QUOTE=''bean-with-bacon'']Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.[/QUOTE]Lol so true.But I think that could be extended to, the human race doesn't work because the majority of the human race are idiots.[/QUOTE]gods and...makeup
Better education could really fix the issues with perspective and understanding.Democracy's biggest flaw...
[QUOTE=''warbmxjohn'']Better education could really fix the issues with perspective and understanding.[/QUOTE]
Education can only go so far. Especially when it's public. Everything public is a minefield of bureaucracy and subject to the same flaws as democracy.
It's unlikely the government can get a point across without the opposition smearing it for points. Wouldn't it be great if parliament just shut the **** up for once and reached a conclusuion based on their own policies reaching a comprimise rather than picking a more popular side merely to slander the opposition? We need another world war to get that kind of bi-partisanship, what a sorry conclusion!
''No matter your vote the government stil gets in.''?
Democracy's biggest flaw is that at it's heart it's nothing more than majoritarian voting, effectively in its simplest form ''mob mentality'', which is why there must always be safeguards put in place, checks and balances to make sure that:
- The power of the people is limited (though they'll never tell you this).
- That the rights of minorities of all sectors of society are protected.
Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.
[QUOTE=''bean-with-bacon'']Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.[/QUOTE]Lol so true.But I think that could be extended to, the human race doesn't work because the majority of the human race are idiots.
Democracy does not equal the ''ruling'' of majority. If you would look into a bit more in-depth you'd notice that most decisions made by politicians are not backed up by the majority at all (wars, bail out, green politics, EU Referendum, Abortion, Same Sex Marriage, Smoking Ban, and so forth). Id say, the flaw about democracy is that it only works if people participate, educate themselvs an vote (based on their research). It is a voluntary system and if you neglect it, it simply turns against you and sooner or later things turn for the worse and everyone's asking himself how this could have happened (WWII anyone ?).Still, Democracy may be flawed but it is the best alternative that is out there. If you aim for true perfection in a society, you are not aware of the human nature.Concering same-sex marriage. One should differntiate between agreeing with same-sex marriages (from a subjective viewpoint) and allowing it(from a legal viewpoint). It think it's okay to dismiss the concept of same-sex marriage, yet one should not forbid it in a liberal society.Personally, Id say live and let live, same-sex marriages are good ! (yay)Take careRiver
[QUOTE=''Hoobinator'']Democracy's biggest flaw is that at it's heart it's nothing more than majoritarian voting, effectively in its simplest form ''mob mentality'', which is why there must always be safeguards put in place, checks and balances to make sure that:
- The power of the people is limited (though they'll never tell you this).
- That the rights of minorities of all sectors of society are protected.
I pretty much agree.
But Commuism is interesting because it called itself the only ''true'' democracy. Yet most things were controlled by the state instead of just some things :?
And as for this...
[QUOTE=''bean-with-bacon'']Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm getting at, the lack of information and compassion is pretty much what I'd call ignorance and that paves the way for lunacy and idiocy.
Some information is worse than no information at all.
People are not born being idiots, and many people who are and were undemocratic are not uneducated (Bush Senior, Mugabe, Hitler Stalin, Berlusconi and so on). Many tribal communities would be considered uneducated by ''our'' (Western) standards, but that does not make them idiots at all.Think before you argue, guysRiver
[QUOTE=''Ravenhoe'']People are not born being idiots, and many people who are and were undemocratic are not uneducated (Bush Senior, Mugabe, Hitler Stalin, Berlusconi and so on). Many tribal communities would be considered uneducated by ''our'' (Western) standards, but that does not make them idiots at all.Think before you argue, guysRiver[/QUOTE]
Hitler, Mugabee, Stalin and Bush (if the last one even counts) should know better than a tribal community. The public had a responsibility in all of these people coming to power, too (Stalin to a lesser extent).
Not that the tribal community is any of our business other than a topic of study. Even if they were tyranical it's not our place to say what they should do, that's the point of a nation.
Something quite bleak is the fact that no matter how genius a person is, it is the public that detrmines their fate in terms of recognition and importance. Imagine if Mozart had misgivings about Catholicism. His perfect music wouldn't be heard because his view was unpopular and he talked a little too loud. One Mozart is worth a hundred contemporary slobs, if a value could ever be put to it, yet the mediocre actually decided his fate and untimely death in the end, for real this time.
[QUOTE=''Hoobinator'']Democracy's biggest flaw is that at it's heart it's nothing more than majoritarian voting, effectively in its simplest form ''mob mentality'', which is why there must always be safeguards put in place, checks and balances to make sure that:
- The power of the people is limited (though they'll never tell you this).
- That the rights of minorities of all sectors of society are protected.
Great post.
Not many people seem to remember that the US was NOT founded as a democracy. Many of the founding fathers of this country despised democracy. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and as such 99% of the poeple should not even have control over 1% of the population. Unfortunately too many people have been brainwashed from their childhoods to believe we are, in fact, in a democracy and that 51% of the poeple control 49% of the populace. It's a shame being that America was formed with the best form of government that has likely ever existed, but because of corporations and corrupt politicians it has been reduced to a mere democracy.
[QUOTE=''jer_1'']Not many people seem to remember that the US was NOT founded as a democracy. Many of the founding fathers of this country despised democracy. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and as such 99% of the poeple should not even have control over 1% of the population. Unfortunately too many people have been brainwashed from their childhoods to believe we are, in fact, in a democracy and that 51% of the poeple control 49% of the populace. It's a shame being that America was formed with the best form of government that has likely ever existed, but because of corporations and corrupt politicians it has been reduced to a mere democracy.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the USA is deforming from the constitutional ages into a Democracy just like Rome did. As it's such a huge country with many regional variations, the limits put in place by Wasington go over a lot of people's heads. And for a fragile system like Democracy, it's a dirty dirty battleground.
It ''works'' in some places, but there's obvious room for improvement as the flaws are ignored and go unchallenged as people shameless preach Democracy as if it was synonymous with ''the only way we have''. Churchill was right to pick Democarcy, but that was over fascism and communism, the thought of a Constitutional Republic was still punishable by death, technically as it was treasonous.
Democracy is becoming just another dogma in our lives, a club foot in society. It's no longer the best we have if we can do better, and for a start we could begin by telling the press they have a duty of care over the moron public and that they aren't allowed to offer opinion during a factual report and that their intentions are altruistic and there is no agenda. That's step one.
That is why we combine democratic systems with objective laws.
[QUOTE=''Cactus_Matt''][QUOTE=''bean-with-bacon'']Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people are idiots.[/QUOTE]Lol so true.But I think that could be extended to, the human race doesn't work because the majority of the human race are idiots.[/QUOTE]gods and...
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